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55 – 5 Tips to Start Grow and Succeed


Episode #55 | 5 Tips to Start Grow and Succeed

Welcome to our 55th episode of the Dare to Scale Show!

A big shout out to you, our listeners, who have shown us so much love through these 55 episodes. Another nod to everybody who helped launch and continues to support the Show. This show wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for you. Thank you!

Starting our podcast has been one of the most gratifying experiences: we’ve learned a lot doing it, and it’s been a load of fun.

Today, we share the five most important lessons that have come out of our 55 episodes which can apply as much to your business scaling journey as launching your own show.

The biggest takeaway will always be there is no perfect time to start. So, in anything you want to do … take a leap of faith and start where you are!

Episode Highlights:

  • Learning #1: There is no perfect time to start
  • Learning #2: Celebrate your gains
  • Learning #3: Connect with amazing people and share some super stories
  • Learning #4: Don’t be afraid of technology
  • Learning #5: Map out your ideas
  • Asking for help made the whole journey so much easier


“There’s no such thing as perfect. Perfect is relative. If you wait for the perfect time, it’s never going to come because perfect is now. The best time to start is now, it doesn’t matter how prepared or unprepared you feel you are.”
~ Warsha Joshi

“Saying we wait for the perfect time is an excuse.”
~ Warsha Joshi

“It’s not about the gaps. It’s about the gains.”
~ Evan Le Clus

“Unless you start, you don’t know where this is going. So just start anyway.”
~ Warsha Joshi

“When you’re out and about and you have an idea that you want to talk about, please write it down… It’s really important to jot down some of those ideas because some of our best shows have actually come out of those little sets of ideas on the fly.”
~ Evan Le Clus

“Our brain remembers more what we write down than what we type.”
~ Warsha Joshi

“Anyone who isn’t embarrassed of who they were last year probably isn’t learning enough.”
~ Alain de Botton

“Fortune favours the prepared mind”
~ Louis Pasteur

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EP 55 – 5 Tips to Start Grow and Succeed


Warsha Joshi  00:00

Unless you start you don’t know where this is going. So just start anyway.


Evan Le Clus  00:04

Hello, you are listening to the Dare To Scale show with me, Evan.


Warsha Joshi  00:09

And me Warsha. This show is about all things scaling, scaling your business, your journey, and you


Evan Le Clus  00:18

You are here because you dare to dream, dare to dream big. So sit back and enjoy the conversation, or perhaps even join in.


Warsha Joshi  00:30

This is episode 55, 55! Goodness, we didn’t even know how we were going to get get to five. Isn’t that what we how we all start some things? Anyway, we are both on this episode today. Both Evan and I are in this episode. And I’ll tell you why. When we were mapping out the topic for this episode, what really came through was some of our own learnings over the past two years since we started the podcast. And that conversation turned out to be so happy and lively and animated between the two of us that we decided, how about actually recording this as an episode and sharing with you, our wonderful listeners, our wonderful supporters, what our learnings have been? And whatever you’re doing today, whether you’re running your own podcast, or you’re running your business or running your life, we really hope these learnings that we’re going to share today help you in some way. So Evan, say hello, and share our first learning.


Evan Le Clus  01:38

Hi, everybody. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening, depending on where you are really great to be on the show, again with Warsha. And you know what? Yeah, when we map this out, like Warsha said, there’s a lot of wonderful things that we giggled about, actually, it’s been 55 episodes, and a lot of water has gone under the bridge. And the key thing for us, the first learning was, there is no perfect time to start. Really, there’s not. So just start where you are. Yeah, there’s a quote, whatever you talk about this a lot in the business about perfection. Can you share that thought?


Warsha Joshi  02:13

Oh, something I say is, there’s no such thing as perfect. Perfect is relative. So if you wait for the perfect time, it’s never going to come. Because perfect is now the best time to start is now it doesn’t matter how prepared or unprepared you feel you are. That’s what we felt when we started, didn’t we? Because I had no idea and though, what? another what podcast? What are you talking about?


Evan Le Clus  02:39

So, you know, gurus are somebody Yeah, like those podcasts and all sorts. And that’s just absolutely not true.


Warsha Joshi  02:46

No. And without work, how are we going to run that? Just know, we got to actually do some research. And we got to prepare for it. Maybe later, maybe in about six months time, we could consider this. And yet, we would never have started if we had waited six months, because the six months will never end. So we literally took a leap of faith. And we said, you know what? Sure, let’s do it. Because what is perfect, there’s no such thing as perfect. Perfect isn’t even a thing. And Evan, you actually say this? That’s just an excuse, saying we wait for the perfect time is an excuse.


Evan Le Clus  03:26

There is no perfect time. And one of the sort of sub pieces of that there’s no perfect time is we actually did ask for help. Yeah, that’s true. And by doing that, it made that whole journey so much easier. And there was no reason not to do what we were going to do. So yeah, we just started where we were. And off we went.


Warsha Joshi  03:42

Big shout out to everybody who helped in the early days and continue to extend their support. And big shout out to you, our listeners who have shown us so much love through these 55 episodes, and we really wouldn’t be here. This show wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for you. So thank you. So the first learning that we took away was, if you want to start something, just go ahead and start because unless you start, there is no room for step number two, is there?


Evan Le Clus  04:15

No, absolutely. A step number two is look back and look back to you, to measure your gains. It’s not about the gaps. It’s about the gains. So nice, actually had to look up who said this Alain de Botton, a Swiss chappie who lives in the UK, he’s the one who has said, you know, if you can’t look back at the sort of the person you were 12 months ago, and if you’re not embarrassed by that you’ve not grown or learned enough. And that’s exactly sort of where we were. So we look back at some of those early episodes and it’s like, wow, you know, but it’s so brilliant, because by doing that you get better. It’s about being prolific, if you will, rather than perfect again, it ties into that first point. Yeah. The more you do, the better you get.


Warsha Joshi  05:02

Yeah, and only when you start and when you, like you said, Evan, if you don’t look back and you’re a little bit embarrassed with the earlier episodes, then you haven’t grown enough. And evolution will start when you actually take the first step, step number two onwards is a matter of growth. You learn from your mistakes, and I say mistakes in quotes, because what is a mistake? Mistake is a learning experience. And we made plenty of those. And we learned a lot from those. And we evolved from those. Because isn’t that the name of the game? Isn’t that what life is about?


Evan Le Clus  05:36

And, you know, it reminds me this sort of very simple quote, it’s not what you do compared to anybody else is what you do compared to what you could have done. So that yardstick is have you given it your best shot? Yeah. And really, so when you look back, be proud of the gains that you’ve made. Absolutely.


Warsha Joshi  05:52

Yes. So evolve, we definitely did. So that was our second learning, as we were going through this to say what we did come a long way.


Evan Le Clus  06:04

And interestingly, the first whole bunch of episodes, we’d like to add another first 10,15 or so we’d actually done ourselves. Yeah. And then we had the confidence by doing all of those to get to point number three, which was to have the courage to ask for guests and other people to come on. And that was a whole journey in and of itself, connecting with amazing guests who have become friends.


Warsha Joshi  06:26

It’s across the world. And not only that people generously give their time. They shared their own life experiences, their own learning experiences, their own journey so far. And wow, did we have some amazing guests? Did we have some brilliant conversations? And the learning for me personally, from there was, you know what the world really is so connected, that the more people we spoke to, the more friends we made. And really, some of those guests really have become such wonderful friends. And we continue not just to be in touch, but share ideas, brainstorm, taking collaborations to a whole another level. So if it wasn’t for this podcast, we probably wouldn’t have met half these people. And no, right, it would have been a different world altogether, while our lives are richer, because of every single guest we have had on our show. So thank you, to you, every single person who said, Yeah, let’s do this. And guest starred on our show, our little show that we thought we wouldn’t get past five episodes was evolving already.


Evan Le Clus  07:40

Again, 55, wohoo! Absolutely love it. And speaking about getting the courage to ask for guests to come on and actually have those conversations. The very next one is don’t be afraid of technology. Yeah, yes, I know. That was one of the big things were like, oh, boy, what did we do? What do we do? Yes, there’s only a few things, especially for podcasts. And even YouTube. Good sound is critical. It’s less about the video more about the sound. Again, we got help with that. So it’s be fearless about technology. And it’s easier than you think.


Warsha Joshi  08:13

It is easier than you think. And also, we do live in the digital or the technology, age of technology. You know, we’ve had different ages, Iron Age, Bronze Age, Copper Age, Industrial Age, Ice Age, you name it. Today, we actually live in the age of technology, we cannot say we’re afraid of technology: “I don’t know [but I’ll find out]” is okay. Because that means for us, at least we were willing to learn. Exactly. So for us, that was, I think, a breakthrough thing, rather than I don’t know became I’m not sure how I’m going to do this. So [from] I won’t do it, to when we changed that thought to I don’t know, but let’s go for it. Let’s learn, let’s find out. So that was a big step for us. Because we knew nothing about a podcast, where do you even begin? Again, we asked for help. And we got help in bucket-loads.


Evan Le Clus  09:09

And like all the design of the thumbnails, all the bits and pieces, Warsha, you actually did a lot of that. It did, thanks to Canva. And you were just tooling around and again, what about this? What about that? And, you know, once you did that, that sort of basic template, you know, it was actually easy after that, then we got the right help, got the other bits and pieces done. And you know, it’s really not as difficult as, as with anything, you can make it as hard as you want. Yeah, but it really is not that complicated.


Warsha Joshi  09:35

Take the first step, we keep going back to step number one, our own learning number one, unless you start you don’t know where this is going. So just start anyway. And that’s what we did. And speaking of technology, interestingly daunting as it sounds technology has made creating your own podcast show or like we’re right now also doing fully focused on, is populating our own YouTube channel. Oh, yes. Oh, by the way, I don’t think we ever told you this. We have our own YouTube channel, Dare To Scale. https://youtube.com/@daretoscale So if you haven’t visited ours, or subscribed, please go ahead and subscribe to our channel, because we do a lot of talking over there as well. This time with videos.


Evan Le Clus  10:20

Yes, we do. And what’s absolutely amazing about that is we evolved essentially. So we’re still doing podcast and we’re now doing video as well. And I can’t speak for me. I’m not great in front of the camera at the best of time, but I’ve got used to it again. The more you do, the better you get.


Warsha Joshi  10:37

Yeah, strangely, who’d have thought? I’m much more comfortable than I thought I would be in front of the camera. I’m loving it


Evan Le Clus  10:44

You’ve never had a problem with that.


Warsha Joshi  10:47

Well, I don’t know, again. No, I do. It’s absolutely brilliant. We loving creating wonderful, wonderful video. So again, if you haven’t already, please visit our YouTube channel and do subscribe, we would love to see you there.


Evan Le Clus  11:02

Absolutely. Absolutely. And one of the other key things that we did learn. And real quick, if you don’t mind was to map out your ideas. If you don’t have like a mind map or some kind of an ideas flow of the topic. Yeah, you end up in a very funny sort of place. So get the ideas have a mind map follow that when you get it perfect. No, that space to let the ideas flow.


Warsha Joshi  11:27

Yeah, that’s true. And I think this is what you’re saying, Evan, what we learned fairly quickly, is twofold. Have your idea flow for the next two or three episodes in advance at least five episodes in advance. It gives you time to collect your thoughts, do some research, and generally get the flow of conversation how you would like that flow of conversation to what is it that you really want to say in that episode, get clear on paper. And then the second one is before you actually record, like Evan was saying, it was useful for us to now start mapping out what that conversation is actually going to sound like. So where do we want to start? How that idea is now going to be expanded? What are some of the things that we want to include in that conversation? And how we would like to close the topic? So mapping that out, episode by episode before we even hit the record button helped us a great deal.


Evan Le Clus  12:31

Too right, too right. And the other little tip that I would actually add there is when you’re out and about and you have an idea that you want to talk about please write it down. Oh, yeah. WhatsApp it to yourself or something. Oh, yes. It’s not written down, you forget. And like three days later, oh, hang on, I was gonna, the moments gone. And it’s really important to jot down some of those ideas, because some of our best shows have actually come out of this little set of ideas sort of on the fly. Yeah, oftentimes over morning cup of tea or something.


Warsha Joshi  13:00

Yeah, that’s true. And you know, ideas are everywhere. Topics for conversations are everywhere. Whether you’re out and about buying a cup of coffee, or, or an ice cream, or you’re at a supermarket or you’re watching a TV show. There are really topics spin offs, ideas brainstormed, everywhere around you. So I love what you said, Evan.


Evan Le Clus  13:21

We also remember, because Dare To Scale is a coaching entity, mentoring entity for business. Not every episode has to be dry, and business and tips and whatever, you know, it’s your show. So those ideas can cross over into all sorts of places we ended up with read some books. Yeah, those were the best episodes. Warsha, you recently did a fantastic episode on your journey with your situation


Warsha Joshi  13:46

With my situation. And it Hey, guys, if you haven’t heard that episode yet, look for it. I think it is episode 51. That if you just search for it, it is my story. And it was a coffee chat with a wonderful, wonderful friend. And it just flowed so beautifully that I think, Evan, aside from a few guest episodes, I think that was only episode which was completely unscripted.


Evan Le Clus  14:12

Completely unscripted. Yeah. And actually one of the most popular. Yeah, it is the most popular.


Warsha Joshi  14:18

Yeah, that is true of our show, that is one of the most, no, that is the most popular episode. The most downloaded episode. So if you haven’t heard that yet. Go ahead, listen to it again.


Evan Le Clus  14:31

So like we were saying, map out the ideas. And I want to quote Louis Pasteur. Oh, Louis Pasteur is in fact the one who said “Fortune favors the prepared mind”. And that’s not about being you know, super attentive and being super super organized, but it is about having some structure to your ideas and structure to what you want to talk about. And like we say, whenever we run masterminds or any kind of training is like get a pen and get some paper in your hand and then connection between when you’re writing stuff down and getting the ideas out of your mind is so powerful. And that’s why we say jot it down. Make a mind map.


Warsha Joshi  15:08

Yeah, you tend to remember more. And I think I said it in a couple of episodes ago. Grab a pen and paper and write down. Our brain remembers more what we write than what we type. So, back to basics, pick up a pen and paper. Write it down. Yeah, that was a good one, Evan. Nice.


Evan Le Clus  15:27

So five awesome tips. Yeah. Number one, the most important is no perfect time, start from where you are. Celebrate your gains. Connect with amazing people, share some super stories. Be fearless about technology. And map out your ideas.


Warsha Joshi  15:44

And that is how we even reach 55 episodes. We really hope these five, our learnings have given you something to think about and given you a way forward because you know, we do get stuck call it writer’s block, call it whatever block. Most of us when we say we want to do something new, we actually stop. And we pause. And we then say, well, let’s wait and see how things happen. They don’t happen. You got to make them happen. That is how again, I repeat, we got to 55 episodes, it does sound a little bit surreal.


Evan Le Clus  16:22

It does. So if you’re sitting on the fence, particularly if it’s a barbed wire fence, get off, jump, right? Most uncomfortable.


Warsha Joshi  16:32

But you will love it. What a journey it’s been. So why are we talking about this, our five learnings? First to say that a huge thank you to everybody involved in making Dare To Scale show a success. And everybody involved who’s now making our YouTube channel Dare To Scale a success. And second to say 55 episodes is time to take a little bit of a pause, call it a season, call it season one and give everyone including us time to now focus on what happens at the end of the year. Because annual planning sessions happen, mastermind sessions happen. And we want to call this a season one ending to could return very soon, with season two, that’s going to happen in the next year. When we come back with more conversations, more guests. The conversation continues, like it always has been. And we look forward to seeing you over there for season two of the Dare To Scale show.


Evan Le Clus  17:45

Absolutely. Looking forward to seeing you guys next year. In the meantime, enjoy your break, as they say in the US Happy Holidays. And look after yourselves.


Warsha Joshi  17:55

Look after yourselves. Evan, you actually had something else that you said when we were planning this? I don’t know if you made a note of that. Use this time to connect with friends, family, your support system. So I’ll leave it to you to say this because you said it so well.


Evan Le Clus  18:11

During the holiday season. Of course, you know, appreciate your support system, like you said Warsha. I appreciate your friends and your family. It’s an important time to, well, like I say smell the roses, you know, reset, recharge and come back in 2023 on fire.


Warsha Joshi  18:27

Cook a meal, share a meal with people around you, your friends, family, neighbors, whoever it is that you’re going to celebrate the next few weeks. And we’ll see you bright and shiny in the new year. Guys, thank you so much for just being you. You guys are amazing.


Evan Le Clus  18:47

Indeed. Thank you so much. And we’ll speak to you guys soon.


Warsha Joshi  18:50

Bye for now.


Evan Le Clus  18:51



Warsha Joshi  18:53

Thank you for joining us and for listening all the way through. To get the show notes, the transcription and of course to subscribe, visit daretoscale.fm


Evan Le Clus  19:06

The success of the show is thanks to you. So please keep the five star reviews coming. Remember to share this with your network and keep the community expanding. We’ll catch you at our next episode and in the meantime, keep daring and keep growing.

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Our Site may use “cookies” to enhance User experience. User’s web browser places cookies on their hard drive for record-keeping purposes and sometimes to track information about them. User may choose to set their web browser to refuse cookies, or to alert you when cookies are being sent. If they do so, note that some parts of the Site may not function properly.

How we use collected information

Dare to Scale may collect and use Users personal information for the following purposes:

To run and operate our Site
> We may need your information display content on the Site correctly.

To improve customer service
> Information you provide helps us respond to your requests and support needs more efficiently.

To improve our Site
> We may use feedback you provide to improve our centre.

> To send periodic emails
We may use the email address to respond to their inquiries, questions, and/or other requests.

How we protect your information

We adopt appropriate data collection, storage and processing practices and security measures to protect against unauthorized access, alteration, disclosure or destruction of your personal information, username, password, transaction information and data stored on our Site.

Sharing your personal information

We do not sell, trade, or rent Users personal identification information to others. We may share generic aggregated demographic information not linked to any personal identification information regarding visitors and Users with our business partners, trusted affiliates and advertisers for the purposes outlined above.

Changes to this privacy policy

Dare to Scale has the discretion to update this privacy policy at any time. When we do, we will post a notification on the main page of our Site. We encourage Users to frequently check this page for any changes to stay informed about how we are helping to protect the personal information we collect. You acknowledge and agree that it is your responsibility to review this privacy policy periodically and become aware of modifications.

Your acceptance of these terms

By using this Site, you signify your acceptance of this policy. If you do not agree to this policy, please do not use our Site. Your continued use of the Site following the posting of changes to this policy will be deemed your acceptance of those changes.

Contacting us

If you have any questions about this Privacy Policy, the practices of this Site, or your dealings with this Site, please contact us.

This document was last updated on 13 September 2020.


Effective: May 25, 2018
Dare To Scale uses cookies on https://daretoscale.com and affiliated websites (collectively the “Site”).

Our Cookies Policy explains what cookies are, how we use cookies, how third-parties we partner with may use cookies on the Site, and your choices regarding cookies. Please read this Cookies Policy in conjunction with our Privacy Policy, which sets out additional details on how we use personal data and your various rights.

What are cookies

A cookie is a small file which asks permission to be placed on your computer’s hard drive. Once you agree, the file is added and the cookie helps analyse web traffic or lets you know when you visit a particular site. It also allows the Site or a third-party to recognize you and make your next visit easier and the Site more useful to you. Cookies allow web applications to respond to you as an individual. The web application can tailor its operations to your needs, likes and dislikes by gathering and remembering information about your preferences.

Essentially, cookies are a user’s identification card for the Dare To Scale servers. Web beacons are small graphic files linked to our servers that allow us to track your use of our Site and related functionalities. Cookies and web beacons allow Dare To Scale to serve you better and more efficiently, and to personalize your experience on our Site.

If you do not agree with our use of cookies, then you should either not use this site, or you should delete our cookies once you have visited the site, or you should browse the site using your browser’s anonymous usage setting (called “Incognito” in Chrome, “InPrivate” for Internet Explorer, “Private Browsing” in Firefox and Safari etc.)

We use traffic log cookies to identify which pages are being used. This helps us analyse data about web page traffic and improve our website in order to tailor it to customer needs. We only use this information for statistical analysis purposes and then the data is removed from the system.

Overall, cookies help us provide you with a better website by enabling us to monitor which pages you find useful and which you do not. A cookie in no way gives us access to your computer or any information about you, other than the data you choose to share with us.

You can choose to accept or decline cookies. Most web browsers automatically accept cookies, but you can usually modify your browser setting to decline cookies if you prefer. This may prevent you from taking full advantage of the website.
If you don’t want to receive cookies, you can modify your browser so that it notifies you when cookies are sent to it or you can refuse cookies altogether. You can also delete cookies that have already been set.

If you wish to restrict or block web browser cookies which are set on your device then you can do this through your browser settings; the Help function within your browser should tell you how. Alternatively, you may wish to visit www.aboutcookies.org, which contains comprehensive information on how to do this on a wide variety of desktop browsers.

How Dare To Scale uses cookies

When you use and access the Site, we may place a number of cookies files in your web browser.

Dare To Scale uses or may use cookies and/or web beacons to help us determine and identify repeat visitors, the type of content and sites to which a user of our Site links, the length of time each user spends at any particular area of our Site, and the specific functionalities that users choose to use. To the extent that cookies data constitutes personal data, we process such data on the basis of your consent.

Cookies can be “persistent” or “session” cookies.

We use both session and persistent cookies on the Site and we use different types of cookies to run the Site:

  • Essential cookies. Necessary for the operation of the Site. We may use essential cookies to authenticate users, prevent fraudulent use of user accounts, or offer Site features.
  • Analytical / Performance cookies. Allow us to recognize and count the number of visitors and see how visitors move around the Site when using it. This helps us improve the way the Site works.
  • Functionality cookies. Used to recognise you when you return to the Site. This enables us to personalise our content for you, greet you by name, and remember your preferences (for example, your choice of language or region).
  • Targeting cookies. Record your visit to the Site, the pages you have visited, and the links you have followed. We will use this information to make the Site and the more relevant to your interests. We may also share this information with third parties for this purpose.

Third-party cookies

In addition to our own cookies, we may also use various third-party cookies to report usage statistics of the Site and refine marketing efforts.

  • Tracking cookies. Follow on-site behavior and tie it to other metrics allowing better understanding of usage habits.
  • Optimization cookies. Allow real-time tracking of user conversion from different marketing channels to evaluate their effectiveness.
  • Partner cookies. Provide marketing conversion metrics to our partners so they can optimize their paid marketing efforts.
  • Google Analytics. We use this to understand how Dare To Scale is being used in order to improve the user experience. Your user data is all anonymous. You can find out more about Google’s position on privacy as regards its analytics service at Google Privacy Overview
  • Facebook Advertising. We use Facebook advertising conversion tracking and re-targeting pixels, which allows us to collect or receive information from your website and elsewhere on the internet and use that information to provide measurement services and target advertising.

What are your choices regarding cookies?

If you’d like to delete cookies or instruct your web browser to delete or refuse cookies, please visit the help pages of your web browser.

Please note, however, that if you delete cookies or refuse to accept them, you might not be able to use some or all of the features we offer. You may not be able to log in, store your preferences, and some of our pages might not display properly.

Most web browsers allow some control of most cookies through the browser settings. To find out more about cookies, including how to see what cookies have been set, visit www.aboutcookies.org or www.allaboutcookies.org.
Find out how to manage cookies on popular browsers:
Google Chrome
Microsoft Edge
Mozilla Firefox
Microsoft Internet Explorer
Apple Safari

To find information relating to other browsers, visit the browser developer’s website.
To opt out of being tracked by Google Analytics across all websites, visit Google Analytics Optout.

We are planning to enhance our cookie tool to allow users to more easily change their cookie settings after their initial choice.